Kurt Billings on ChemTrails
Interview with Hilly Rose
Excerpts from The Art Bell Show - May 7th , 1999
Hilly
Rose hosting.
Transcriber's note: In the interest of time (to make it
into the magazine) and readability, this will NOT be a perfect transcription of
this interview. I've tried to include the most important topics and segments and
a few highlights. It will not be grammatically correct - and you will certainly
find typos. However, the information is vitally important. My notes are enclosed
in [brackets].
Many thanks to Mark for taking the time to tape it and
sending the tape to us!
HR: It is my great pleasure to talk
with Kurt Billings tonight. He has a unique view of the trappings of mind
control and government experiments. Back in 1985, he began working with
survivors of various types of mind control programming. He has provided
education and consultation services to mental health professionals counseling
victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, that's SRA, and government mind
control.
He has written a number of books including "Somewhere Under the
Rainbow" in 1989, "A Generation Deceived" in 1992. He has compiled extensive
research into his latest video called Prisoners of Psych Ops", in which he
exposes why the U.S. is chemically spraying it's citizens through the use of
contrails. The video is a documented review of the history of mind control, the
government projects such as MKUltra and the latest mind control technology such
as the microchips and the use of ELF waves. And we are talking about microchips
that are implanted into your body. It is my great pleasure to welcome to this
program Mr. Kurt Billings.
[Hilly asked for a synopsis of what would be
discussed tonight.]
KB: You say that these contrails are the work
of the United States government in chemically spraying the citizens through the
use of --- they're laying down these various patterns and we can go on to talk
about the microchips. Why would the government do this? Maybe we'd better start
with the microchips.
I'll give you a little basic overview. There are
several laws out there, including the 1986 Immigrations Control Act, Section 100
and it says that the president can control and track all people by any means
possible including electronic medium under the skin - which is a
microchip.
HR: This is an--- it specifically says "under the
skin"??
KB: Yes, Sir. I'll give you a quick synopsis of the
history of this--- once upon a time they started experimenting with microwires
in the brain starting in 1911 to 1915. Then they started working to build it
into a microchip and they started out with the power being a lithium power.
And now since the early '90's (I'm covering lots ground and we'll come
back over all of this), in the early '90s they developed what they called the
biochip, which was made up of organic material. This is the latest circuitry and
it runs off of alkaline or acid. This chip is about the diameter of a hair,
looks like a half a grain of sand and will easily go through a vaccination
needle. Our government has been experimenting on us and has dumped 3 or 4
million through flu shots and vaccinations into the general public sine
'93.
Now, the chip is driven through alkaline. So we have the contrails.
What are the contrails? According to World Weekly, which is an Internet news,
the contrails are diethylene bromide, which is a pesticide. What is a pesticide?
If you look it up in the medical dictionary, a pesticide is an alkaline-based
chemical. The alkaline will hit your skin and go right through it and will drive
the microchip.
HR: I don't understand this, Kurt. You're saying
that this government, the United States government, has been implanting
microchips into the population that they can monitor. How do they
monitor?
KB: They monitor by satellite - I'll get into all of the
technology later. But not only will this chip monitor by a number frequency but,
it will also broadcast directly into the mind through an ELF signal from a
satellite which is part of the Euridian or Leo satellite system.
So
these microchips are driven by alkaline and they generate alkaline in the body.
So in order to feed these microchips, we've found over five or six years the
water in the United States has been going more and more alkaline as we travel
all over the country speaking and writing and researching.
We find that
when that when we check the contrail when we see one overhead, we find the
alkalinity go up through the ceiling. What's it take to feed the microchip?
Alkalinity to be able to pass through the skin. What's the other thing? Alkaline
poisoning is upper respiratory. That's one of the other symptoms of alkaline
poisoning.
HR: So let me understand this. You are saying that the
government is in a dedicated program to implant microchips into every American
that is then fed by the material in the contrails? Is that what you're
saying?
KB: That's what I'm saying.
HR: And that's
the reason that this is being laid down so the government can activate them,
feed them, if you will?
KB: Yes, that's one of the reasons and
there are biologicals in there and other things, too.
HR: Why
would they do that?
KB: Well, you've got to keep them fed and
you've got to start to control your population. This is a form of mind
control---this is also bringing on "the mark of the beast " - the ultimate
experiment of controlling all of America.
HR: Are you saying to me
that President Clinton knows about this? Or do you think it's other parts of the
government?
KB: There is no doubt that the president knows about
this. He has been working on, since '92, when the vaccine "smart card" where
everyone needed to carry a card with a microchip to the point where there was a
presidential order signed that everyone gets a microchip when martial law kicks
in. It's what came out of the Immigration Bill. It's called an ID card, but it's
an ID card with a chip right in hand.
HR: I would assume, Kurt,
that that's illegal.
KB: They have been doing it for years. I talk
to X-ray technicians regularly who tell me they see hundreds.
HR: Do these people who are giving injections and vaccinations (which I'm
against for other reasons - chemical reasons)--- are you saying that they are
unaware of what they are doing?
KB: Some of them are. Some of them
aren't. I talked two weeks ago while I was in Kansas City to a nurse who was in
Obstetrics who was having to put microchips in the heals of babies and she quit
because she refused to do it but she knew it was going on in the Kansas City
Hospital.
HR: You're telling me that new babies are being
inoculated and little chips are being inserted in their bodies that the
government of the United States can use for mind control and all those
people---
KB: And tracking. They can track them within ten feet.
Yes, I am.
HR: Kurt, this is a horrendous allegation. Can you back
this up?
KB: Yes, I can. I'll give you newspaper articles and a
whole bunch of things. Yes, I can!
HR: And you believe that this
is what these chemtrails are all about - they're feeding these
microchips.
KB: Yes. Yes.
HR: It takes my breath
away. I--- I hardly know what to say. I mean I understand the government is
duplicitous. And I understand that there is this {unintelligible] history which
you and I will talk about but when you talk about mind control, couldn't the
president have used this in the Monica situation to reject---? Well, maybe he
did! Because let's face it, despite everything that happened there, his
popularity remained the highest ever. And it could well be because of the
microchips!
KB: Could well be.
HR: Because there's
no other way to explain that!
KB: No, there isn't. America is
slowly getting dumbed down through the subliminals on tv, and the constant
bombardment of "everything's okay", to the ELF, which is Extremely Low Frequency
which I'll get into, to the microchip experiments, to the microwaving of people
which dumbs them down, to HAARP, and so on.
HR: What's
HAARP?
KB: HAARP is the electromagnetic thing that's going up in
Alaska. That's not my field.
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HR: I want you to
start at the beginning, which starts way back - 1800's? 1900's?
KB: I'm going to touch that microchip and the Nazi doctors and some of their
experiments but before we do that, I'm going to rattle off a couple of articles.
These are on microchips and are in newspapers they can all go and grab so that
they can find out what's going on.
This is from the Tucson Weekly, June
24th, 1994. This is a magazine that comes out once a week in Tucson and the
article is entitled "Electronic Leash." It's says, "Implantable Biochip is
Already Here, Big Brother is Just Around the Corner." That's the title and it's
by Lisa Crosby. It talks about the biochip and how they already used it in
Florida in 1989 for kid tracking. And they'd implanted several thousand of
them.
The next one we have is from Sunday March 3rd, 1996, St. Peters,
Missouri. The mayor is talking to the Town Council about implanting everybody in
town and making them a global village. In one ear they can have the microchip
that tracks them and in the other ear they can have the one that hooks up to the
satellite system through a cellular phone type set up.
HR: Okay,
what else.
KB: We have the Chicago Tribune.
HR: That's a biggie.
KB: Tues, May 7, 1996. It says, "In the
Future, this Tiny Bug May Get Under Your Skin" is the title of the article and
it by John Van and goes into a lot of detail.
HR: Just one more
and let's get into the subject.
KB: Okay. I'm trying to spur
people to do their own research and giving them foot holds. This is from the
Arizona Republic and talks about Kidscan who has the patent in Florida and when
they took it to Oak Ridge Laboratory in Tennessee who developed ELF, by the way,
the government decided gee, this would be a good thing. And they started to
develop the microchip there. And they talked about kidnapping.
HR: You mentioned ELF several times now. Would you tell me exactly what that is
and why it's important?
KB: Okay. ELF is Extremely Low Frequency.
It's set up so that it moves on a wave that it is able to broadcast directly
into the mind. Our mind moves at 25 brain waves per second to 4 brain waves per
second where your conscious level is 25 and your Delta level, your unconscious
level is 4 brain waves per second. So this is able to broadcast so that it comes
right into your mind as thought or affect your dreams and basically be able to
program you.
HR: And is that what the government is doing?
Feeding these microchips with chemtrails and getting the information directly
into your head with ELF, is that correct?
KB: Correct. Okay, I
gave your radio station a couple of clips and let me give you some background on
this. Remember all the Waco night music and disturbance music they were playing?
This was set up for sleep disturbance. At the same time they were doing sleep
disturbance, they were locked in through ELF to the music. Now this is not
backmasking, this is ELF. What you'll hear is a sound that goes vroo, vroo, vroo
[demonstrated as a low, humming sound]. And you'll hear is a southern male... I
slowed the music way down so you can hear it.
HR: This is sort of
like a reverse recording?
KB: This is like a reverse recording.
Forward, you'll hear Nancy Sinatra singing. And you should be able to make out
most of the words but it says, "You're all going to die. You're all going to
die. Now that you know that you know it. You're never going to be free, you're
all going to die." And this is what they told them that went directly into the
minds of the men, women and children at Waco two to three weeks before they
burned them out.
HR: But how did they know that everybody at the
Waco in the Koresh compound had been inoculated and had a microchip in
them?
KB: You don't have to have a microchip to broadcast ELF. ELF
was designed to broadcast into people's heads.
HR: Directly?
KB: Directly.
HR: Well, then why do
they have to bother with the microchips?
KB: The microchip helps
it along a whole bunch.
HR: You said this is what they played at
Waco.
KB: They played this at Waco. I got this from the
media.
HR: And the suggestion is that they're going to die--- why
would they do this? What's supposed to happen in the people in Koresh's
compound?
KB: Well, it's supposed to 1) torment them. 2) make them
to the point where they just give up.
HR: Well, lets play this. So
it's Nancy Sinatra forward and then you have reversed it. Is there one cut or
two on the reverse?
KB: There's two.
[The tape was played.
There was commentary that Hilly did not hear it. I did hear some of it the
second time I listened - especially "You're never going to be free" - that was
very clear.]
Kurt's website: www.psychops.com
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KB: ELF was set up by the military so that they could bombard the enemy. It's
gotten to the point now that it's about the size of a shoebox and you're able to
point this little generator at a house, or whatever you're pointing at (it's a
pretty localized signal) and broadcast directly into the mind. I've been working
with people for years who are victims of mind control and they're starting to
have problems with their smoke detectors going off, or their computers going
weird or different things going off in their house, electronic items.
We've done some research to find out that the ELF wave will set off,
according to the smoke detector companies, the smoke detectors.
HR:
Okay, you're saying that this ELF, which no one can hear--- can you tune
into it possibly with sophisticated equipment?
KB: Yes, you
can.
HR: What kind of equipment?
KB: Electronics is
not my field, but there are receivers that go from 4 to 50 cycles per
second.
HR: Maybe one of our callers later will tell us about the
technical aspects of getting this done. Okay, so go ahead.
KB: So
I'm talking to people all over the country (I'm on two different speaking tours
right now) and they're telling me, "Gee, I'm having troubles. I'm getting stuff
in my sleep like, 'Go out and do this.' Or they're trying to get me to go out
and kill somebody. But my smoke detector keeps going off and waking me
up."
HR: Because of ELF?
KB: Because of the ELF that
they are bombarding them with at close range. I'm sure we'll get callers later
who will tell us this because I always do when I'm on the air.
HR:
Can you get a detector in your hand that will tell you there are waves
coming in that shouldn't be there?
KB: That's a question I can't
answer. I have a friend who's an electrical engineer who's been trying to figure
out how to block the wave. They haven't been able to block it through lead, tin
foil, you name it, even the ground.
HR: You know, this reminds me
of what we've done in Kosovo. Nobody ever heard of this device that knocks down
all of the electricity - short circuits it. And now it's suddenly come out that
the government has this device. So why wouldn't they have what you're talking
about. In the three minutes we have left, what would you like to talk
about?
KB: First of all, I'll give you a little information about
myself. I am a CIA brat so that's how we came into this knowledge. One of my
relatives worked for Operation Paper Clip. Operation Paper Clip is where we
brought the Nazi doctors over during World War II with the Vatican passports
from Italy to Canada and into America and we basically drove them around from
military base to military base training the Central Intelligence Agency. Which
came out of that, Project Naomi, Monarch, MKUltra, Marionette and a dozen other
code names.
KB: So I got to see some things first hand, such as Mengela who was being driven from military base to military base.
HR:
I thought he escaped to Argentina, no?
KB: Cover stories.
HR: Okay, so don't believe the movie?
KB: Don't
believe the movie. And since my Dad and two of my uncles worked for the CIA and
the OSI, we got to see a lot of things that were extremely enlightening. So I
started researching and documenting things as I was growing up and started
stumbling into some of this back in 1984 working with victims coming out of
MKUltra and Monarch and Marionette programming. I started to see programming
that was driven by microchips.
HR: Back then??
KB:
Yes. The lithium chips. They started putting chips into people back in 1965.
Animals, very crude chips, but they were crude chips. They started putting chips
in prisoners in California in '89 for control.
HR: Now is this
the result of German scientists? Or something else?
KB: Some from
German scientists... Dr. Delgado from Yale University, which created the naval
Intelligence. This was back in '54 and he's one of the developers of the
microchip. He started doing experiments in the '50's and had already implanted
them by the mid '60's.
HR: What I want you talk
about in this portion--- if we could get to the history here, but I wanted to
give you the opportunity to let people know how to get your
videotape.
KB: Okay, it's Kurt Billings, Post Office Box 6018,
Spring Hill, Florida, 34611
Let me touch a little bit on the highlights
of the microchip because these are the questions I get asked so much. First: How
can you tell if you've got a microchip? Okay, the old lithium chips, they're
x-rayable. On the biochips, they're not x-rayable. They run off the alkalinity
in your body as I was talking about. So what you need to do is to go out and
take a Ph test, a litmus test, from either your urine or saliva. If you go to
the point of alkalosis, which is 7.5 (our body is supposed to be 6.8), or the
point you have acidosis and you can't get rid of it and you're eating healthy,
you're a candidate for a microchip.
Now, in November I got to sit down
with one of the manufacturers of the microchip. I got to talk to him about a few
things I had found out through different experiments. We found out that the
microchip, the new one, the biochip is dissolvable. If it's not fed with it's
alkalinity or acid, it will dissolve. So there are---
HR: It will
dissolve in the body?
KB: It will dissolve in the body, it will
completely dissolve.
HR: So you don't even have to use a needle to
inject it or anything?
KB: No, no. I'm saying once it's been put
in by vaccination or flu shot, and you have one. If you're running to point of
alkalosis, you can't get rid of it and it's not your diet (you can get alkalosis
from diet), what you do is you take acid forming vitamins and food to bring
yourself back to 6.8 and drop one more to 6.7 and you leave it there for a week.
The chip will dissolve if it cannot get the alkaline. That's why they have to
keep spraying us.
HR: What we're seeing in the air--- you're
saying--- what I don't understand is, in Art Bell's investigations, they talk
about a goo that is coming out of the planes. How does that relate to what
you're talking about?
KB: Some of the goo is biologicals. Some of
the goo is just oil and different things. Some of the goo is pesticides. So it
has a multi-purpose [?]. I'm only touching my end of it, which is the pesticides
in the goo.
HR: So you're saying that this is fueling the
microchips. What if you never go out of your house? How do they refuel it if you
never go out of the house?
KB: The other thing we're seeing is the
alkalinity in the water going through the roof. You'll find in a lot of your
city water and some of your larger reserves, you'll find a higher and higher
rate of alkaline. They're dumping alkaline in the water in the major
cities.
HR: Does this have anything to do with fluorides? The city
I come from keeps turning it down, they refuse to fluoridate the water.
KB: No fluoride's another poison.
HR: It's a
poison.
KB: Fluoride will actually kill us. But that's another
story.
HR: Okay, go ahead.
KB: So you have a
microchip that you got from a vaccination or a flu shot and they know because
they have high alkalinity or they have weird dreams or people start to speak to
them, they hear voices, or otherwise, the chip can be dissolved. There is an
answer.
Let's touch the history here for just a few minutes. Back before
World War II started, the very rich, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and
others all put together, the Wilhelm Institute and Tavistock. Now, this is the
people who started to do the original mind control experiments on the breaking
of a person. What they started to do was put a person through so much stress or
trauma that a person would actually split or break and you would have a
personality, as they called it in psychology, split off. Between the two
personalities is what is known as an amnesiac wall. So one personality doesn't
know about the other personality, we're talking Multiple Personality Disorder,
here.
HR: Sort of like the Manchurian Candidate.
KB:
Exactly. So we started to create the ultimate soldiers. So they trained
Himmler and Mengela and on broke World War II and they started doing the
experiments. As they did the experiments, they trained the kids, the twins. You
can get books the "twinning", where one twin they would have respond once they
split this person, they would call this a "clean slate " and they can program
what ever they want into this personality. So they would take this person and
get them to do whatever they wanted by flashing a hand signal, or an audible
sound, or whatever the codeword they wanted for whatever they wanted them to do.
At the same time they were taking electrical wires and adding electricity and
electroshock and LSD and all those different type of things.
HR:
So it's sort of like Pavlov's dogs?
KB: Exactly, but they were
doing it with humans and funded by the Rockefeller institute and George Bush's
family and others. So, after WW II became Operation Paper Clip. In Operation
Paper Clip, brought the Nazi doctors over and they started doing the experiments
in the Presidio and 29 Palms and Area 54 and other places.
HR: I
know that Area 51, what's 54?
KB: It's another area in the desert.
Then what came out of that was MKUltra, one of the original mind control
programs. They started to experiments on American soldiers and the general
public and through hospitals. At the same time they were starting that, they
started in Canada through Dr. Cameron.
HR: Who is Dr.
Cameron?
KB: Dr. Cameron is the head of the Psychological
Association of Canada. The CIA gave him a lot of taxpayer's money, several
hundred thousand dollars, to start experiments in the Canadian mental
institutions. They called it the "Sleep Chamber" and what they would do is they
would take somebody mentally ill and they would split them and wall off the
mental illness and basically tell them, "Your healed." So Dr. Cameron was doing
experiments for the U.S. Government in Canada and started "curing" the mentally
ill by walling off their illness.
HR: That's certainly a positive
use of it.
KB: Yes--- And no. I'm reading from The Colonial's
Times, Nov. of 92. This is where the Canadian citizens sued the CIA, one of the
only groups that ever sued the CIA and won. They proved that there was mind
control.
Let me give you a good example of what they did. There was a
mother that was having trouble with schizophrenia. When she went to Dr. Cameron,
they put her in the Sleep Chamber. And what the Sleep Chamber is, is that they
put extremely heavy LSD, electroshock therapy and other psychotropic drugs for
4-5 days, split the person and wall off the schizophrenia.
So when she
comes out, she doesn't recognize any of her kids, her family. She lost her whole
life, but she was "cured." The problem, when you wall something off, that wall
starts to expand and push and eventually the mental illness creeps out again and
all you've done is create a Manchurian Candidate or somebody who gets works and
worse and worse.
HR: Kurt, why did they have to bother if they've got
this ELF, which would tell her what to do?
KB: This was back in
the 40 or 50's. So basically they decided to see if they could split somebody
off, and split somebody off again, they started creating structure internally.
But a lot of it didn't hold. So they started the use of adding electrodes and
eventually microchips. They would split the alter off and tie it to a microchip
where the microchip would basically broadcast to the alter what to
do.
Now let me give you a good example of this. Timothy McVeigh. In Time
Magazine, he talks about the microchip that was planted in his rear end by the
government. He talked about taking instructions from it, and he was hearing
voices from it. So here we go. We have the government; he came out of a special
unit that was programming, basically brain washing and was the patsy for the
Okalahoma bombing, controlled by microchip.
HR: You're saying he
didn't do it.
KB: Well, he was involved but he wasn't the one who
did the bombing. That's a whole 'nother thing.
HR: But wait a
minute, you're saying, he didn't do it. On the other had you're saying he was
under mind control. Why not just have him do it since he was
other-directed?
KB: There's a lot of evidence out there, and this
is a whole other show, that the way the bomb was sitting, it couldn't have take
the whole building like it was. I have a couple of friends in the military
Special Forces that supply with me information. One of them is an explosives
expert. He said obviously the columns were drilled with explosives. So he parks
the truck, it goes off, but that's not the real bomb that did it. There was more
than one bomb that did it according to even the seismographs.
HR: So where are we in all this? You're revealing a lot of information, and if I
accept you whole plot, so what? What am I supposed to do about it? How can I
stop the government from doing what is obviously illegal and a heinous
crime?
KB: Well, first of all, you've got to guard your kids and
stop getting vaccinations. Let me give you another example. The kids in Arkansas
that did the massacre. One of the kids came out of a mental institution, had
been in and out of mental problems. He said that he was told "by God" (could be
a microchip, my opinion). So God's telling him to shoot these
people.
I've seen this in society more and more in society where the kids
are being influenced from the bombardment of different things, psych warfare or
other things and we're seeing more and more heinous crimes come out.
HR: Why? Why would anyone want to tell kids to go shoot a bunch
of other kids??
KB: Well, one, you take the guns away and you get
total control of the public.
HR: So you feel with this huge
sentiment, now after Littleton that there are going to be more and more laws to
take people's guns away?
KB: It's coming in the
wind.
HR: I don't disagree with you.
KB: I see the
government manipulating society every which way it can. You take the guns away.
You start bombarding with mind control. You have mindless
slaves.
But an international panel of experts convened by the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, NIEHS, reported that Extremely Low
Frequency (ELF) electric and magnetic fields should be regarded as a possible
carcinogen.
Kurt, I have a fax here--- you talked about them implanting
infants. Is there a chance that they are implanting adults and is there a chance
that some people that thought they were being given implants by aliens were
actually implanted by our own government.
KB: Yes, yes. First of
all, they've been dumping them into pre-made vaccinations and flu shots since
1993-94. A lot of the implants, not all--- I have seen several people who have
gotten American CIA chips and then radiated and basically hit with a hypnotism
wall that says gee you've been abducted by aliens and it's actually a CIA
experiment.
HR: Alright, Kurt, I was talking about this article
here by Dr. Askill. He said five things, here. He said to limit your exposure to
EMF's, sit at least two feet from your computer, sit as far away from your
television as possible, and don't stand in front of appliances such as
dishwashers, blenders, microwave ovens, and can openers while they're operating.
Use cordless, cellular and electric razors sparingly. Stay away from high power
lines outdoors and electrical distribution panels indoors.
I assume of
none of these really are going to help with these ELF waves the government is
using to implant information in us.
KB: Correct. The only thing---
I'm an electrical engineer and I've been experimenting with this is to put up an
energy blocker. . And this end is above me but he is doing some experiments. So
far we haven't been able to block them with lead or tinfoil or any other normal
way but there's supposed to be a way to jam them. The only problem we're having
is that the frequencies vary and it's hard to jam all kinds of frequencies that
vary in waves.
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(Caller) John: I'd like to talk to him
about the biochips, the chemtrails and also satanic abuse, MKUltra mind control
victims. Especially those microchips like with Timothy McVeigh. I heard about
Dr. Diegal where he was talking about the Euridian project where they're putting
66 satellites up in orbit and working in Denver making these implantable chips
to track every person on the planet Earth.
KB: That's what I am
talking about ---.that's the biochip. It is the Euridian system, which is a low
orbital tracking system. It's already in place that you can buy and sell with
certain chips that are being tested at the moment. Yes, I'm very aware of
this!
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(Caller) Stan from Independence Missouri: Mr.
Billings, you sound a little nervous...that's fine I realize the gravity of the
situation. A lot of this information is documented. Gordon Thomas, the BBC
producer, wrote "Journey into Madness" back in the '80s. It's been announced
that Barns and Noble is marketing "Trance" [Trance Formation of America] by
Cathy O'Brien, one of the few MKUltra victims that has retained her memory. In
fact, it should be noted that her daughter--- while she was in there the only
"under requisition" item that the State of Tennessee gave her was a black trench
coat. There's a reason for that. Some people think this is a way to outwardly
mark the children that have been used in the MKUltra program.
Those
people in Colorado, not only about Jon Benet Ramsey, but also about Columbine,
if they get that book "Trance" and what Mr. Billings is offering here, I think
they can understand what happened there. Also, Mr. Rose, notice the timing. You
had the NRA convention that had been scheduled for two years. This all came down
at this time--- In the same week, you have two MKUltra doctors die, Dr. Dotlieb
and Dr. Gilly West, in the same time frame.
--- The State of Tennessee
blocked Cathy O'Brien from bringing charges against Mr. Bush for molestation.
The State of Tennessee invoked the 1947 National Security Act.
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Nina from Florida: I'm calling because I have
seen one of the ELF stations--- They had a newspaper article that said it was
inactive but we drove out past it and it was securely guarded. Hayward,
Wisconsin in the Cherokee forest. I know someone who is an electronic engineer
and he recognized the cables. They said it was used during the war as a sonar
down into the ground and into the ocean, but "no longer being
used".
Michael from Philadelphia: What do you think about people
having implants being put in there - why they're being operated on in the local
hospitals?
KB: I have heard probably from 2-300 people in the last
few months that have gotten microchips from surgery that were left in and it
just absolutely outrages me.
HR: What do you mean they were left
in?
KB: They put a microchip in during surgery.
HR: How do you know this, Kurt?
KB: One, their alkalinity went
through the ceiling, two: they started to hear voices. Three: it's personal
testimony.
HR: You say it's being done in mass numbers and (in one
way) it's being done through vaccinations? I assume, then, that all the military
are subject to mind control.
KB: Desert Storm started putting in
microchips for tracking and some of the Special Forces got them for being able
to communicate - from my sources in Special Forces that they could talk to the
soldiers in the field through them.
HR: You mean to communicate,
or influence their actions?
KB: To communicate, to talk to them -
one way.
HR: Well, then some soldiers must know about
this.
KB: Yes, Sir. I've talked to several of them who have talked
to me about it.
HR: That blows me away because in a military
operation one would think--- well, I'll say it again. Now that we've suddenly
discovered we can short-circuit everything in Kosovo in Yugoslavia, why not be
able to talk with mind control. It makes perfectly good
sense.
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Caller from Pennsylvania: I must tell you, Hilly,
I enjoy you thoroughly. Back in 1960, I was put into a group called the
Accelerated group. We were segregated from the school population and they wanted
to see how they could accelerate education. Every Tuesday and Thursday we would
have to go to the library and put on these humongous headphones. It just sounded
like gibberish but you had to do that for twenty minutes and I did do that. The
last year of my high school I dropped out, not of high school but I dropped out
of the accelerated group because I just said this wasn't for me. All my friends
were otherwhere in the school. My parents, by the way, had to sign a paper
stating that I could participate in this.
KB: Was it a
waiver?
Caller: Yes, it was.
KB: What you were
going through was a lot of subliminal.
Caller: Afterwards I found
that there were certain things that I just knew without even knowing I
knew.
KB: What they did was it was like the backward ELF, it
talked directly into your subconscious mind, planted it in your memory and then
you could recall it.
Caller: And then later in life, I 'm 52 years
old, by the way, I went to work for a major newspaper---I was totally blown away
when I found this thing called Memsa (not Mensa). It says you can embed certain
things into the written word that will trigger certain responses from
people.
HR: I'm trying to understand. Was this in a catalogue?
When they hired you did they indoctrinate you with this?
Caller: No, not at all. I went to work for the newspaper in the editorial
department.
KB: And where did you find Memsa.
Caller: It was just something I came across. The use of words was very important
---how you presented them.
KB: Enormous subliminal
advertising.
Caller: Yeah! The same thing as when you see a
newscaster and they give a certain twist or a certain turn or a certain look,
they can put a spin on something. Newspapers, and periodicals and magazines do
the same thing.
KB: Yes, maam.
Caller: And it's so
alarmed me that I totally dropped out of
it.
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HR: Kurt, I have two things
here--- I hope you have a sense of humor. I just couldn't resist this particular
fax that came from "Mindless Slave" in Sacramento. He says, "Please ask your
guest how a microscopic silicon microchip injected into my but can navigate it's
way into my brain, integrate itself into a particular neuromatrix in my cerebral
cortex which is responsible for inhibition of socially unacceptable behavior,
receive an analog ELF carrier, demodulate that carrier to extract the message,
translate that message into electrical impulses that my protein based processing
cortex can understand and force a behavior upon me against my will - all while I
am conscious, undrugged and busy listening to the Art Bell show." Can you give
me a simple answer to that, Kurt?
KB: In ten seconds or less,
right? Okay, sure. Basically, it bombards your subconscious mind and slowly wins
over your will and slowly starts to program you. That's a simple answer. But
it's like the lady with the headphones on. It sounded like gibberish but later
she was able to recall it. It goes right past your conscious mind. Your will is
your conscious mind. Once it gets past your will they can slowly programming
you. All they've got to do is get you to start accepting the ideas. What we're
trying to do is bring out enough information so you don't accept the
ideas.
HR: Kurt, you have talked about Satanic Ritual Abuse, SRA.
What in the world is it?
KB: Satanic Ritual Abuse is the rituals
they do in "Satanism", human sacrificing, rituals to draw down power or magic in
the middle of pentagrams and so on. The government has been using these to
experiment on people for years. In one of the websites that I do research on,
they just released the congressional hearings on Kennedy back in the '70's.
Senator Kennedy, in his hearings, discovered that the Ultra program was using
Satanic Ritual Abuse to help program people because they found that it tapped
into the spiritual end and helped the programming along. Plus the trauma bonding
through human sacrificing and other things that they did. Trauma bonds the
person to the programmer.
HR: How is that different from any
other programming?
KB: It's not, it's just a different
form.
HR: Satanic in it's origins.
KB: Yes.
HR: You trace back all the way to Rockefellers and the
Rothschilds.
KB: Yes, the Illuminati.
HR: This
article that I've been quoting from here tonight, is that appearing anywhere or
is it on your website?
KB: It's on my website -
www.psychops.com
Caller from Florida: Mr. Billings, what evidence
do you have that it's a wide spread thing that most of our government officials
know about?
KB: I started at the top of this show with a couple of
laws, one of them is the Immigrations Act---
Caller: I heard all
that. But to get very specific, my governor Bush here in Florida, is he part of
it? Does he know about it?
KB: I don't know if Jeb Bush knows
about it or not, to be honest with you. He's a governor. I'm talking about
Central Intelligence Agency, president's briefings, and the upper end of the
government.
Caller: The reason I'm so concerned about this. I was
born in '43. I went to college in NY in the '60's. I'm so shocked at what's
happened to our society and I'm trying to figure out how all of this has
happened. It makes sense that we're being
brainwashed.
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KB: Travistock, who trained
the Nazi doctors, is also part of the National Education Training Laboratory,
they write the teacher's curriculum. In 1962, they wrote a book, "Issues of
Teacher's Training". On pg 47, book 5, it says that basically that every child
needs to be brainwashed because the kid is
insane.
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KB: Microwaves will raise the
body temperature and slowly cooks your brain and makes you delusional.
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HR: Kurt, two things we haven't touched on.
Is our government doing this unilaterally or is it doing it in concert with
other governments or are other governments doing other similar ---
KB: Yes, yes, yes. It's going on around the world.
HR: Who are the
subcontractors?
KB: Hughes Corp for one. Soon all the
subcontractors will be up on my website. Most of them are from
Colorado.
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[A question from a listener during the
break on the implants and vaccines] Could medicine through inhalants do the same
thing?
KB: To my knowledge, no. They have to be implanted under
the skin. Besides, I think you'd know if you sucked something up your nose - I
would think. I could be wrong, that's my opinion.
HR: Is there any
other way you could ingest this in your body - like in food
perhaps?
KB: No. It has to be stuck under the skin. That's what
I've been told by one of the manufacturers of the biochips.
HR: And these people are manufacturing for profit, not for fun.
KB: That's exactly it. It's well paid for.
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Caller: Look up Patent 5788648 and quantum interference devices. And what it's
called is electron encephalogram... It's in the IBM Patent Search.
How it
works is 130 htz basically broadcasts electromagnetic code through satellites,
control monitoring & synchronization stations. [Caller went off on a long
spiel about how POSITIVE this is, although admittedly "invasive."
Hmm.]
KB: What he's talking about is a device to interfere with
the brain that is basically an ELF type set up. I've heard that it was developed
by IBM and Harvard and was done by a series of experiments - it's on the
web.
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